Harper and the abortion issue…

…or non-issue… depending on where you stand.

I had an extensive back and forth with some conservative friends the other day on FB. I was referring to a piece by WK on how the abortion issue is NOT really off the table for the CPC. I don’t cut and paste these things very often, but it was a good debate.

Names removed to protect the innocent…

What do you think? Just an outlier of an issue or the long CPC long game?

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To my CPC friends: told ya so!

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    • What does uber-Liberal Kinsella have to do with anything? Harper has said repeatedly, no opening of this issue! ps – other parties have their share of members with similar views.

      11 hours ago ·
    • Trashy: I guarantee that this will gain traction over the next 12 months. Take it to the bank. And while the Grits have 2 MPs who want to open the issue (no Dippers that I can think of) there are at least 16 Cons who are evangelicals and would love to see the issue opened up again.

      10 hours ago ·
    • It’s a back bencher….let’s not get all “I told you so…” The guy’s got the right to an opinion…..it’s nothing…..

      10 hours ago ·
    • Trashy – Guys – this is the most whipped caucus since Voldemort took over Slitherin.

      10 hours ago · · 1
    • Trashy-  NOTHING happens there without the nod of the PMO. Common knowledge here in O Dot.

      10 hours ago ·
    • Trashy – ‎”Slytherin”

      10 hours ago · · 1
    • Never going to happen Trashy and deep down I think you know it. Stop being so desperate to find faults!

      10 hours ago ·

Trashy – I’m not. Just looking at this logically.

Think about it and put aside your partisan hat for a moment.

Can we agree that caucus discipline is of utmost importance to this government? That all messaging is carefully scripted and approved through the PMO? And that Harper himself, along with Mssrs Baird, Flaherty, Kenney, Clement and Toews, exercise strict control over the PMO?

If we can agree on this – and I really don’t see how it can be disputed – then why is it that a backbencher from Kitchener along with a few other Christian social conservatives, have managed to repeatedly raise the issue of “when does life begin”? They HAD to have the blessing of the PM.

Again, I’m not speaking as a partisan.

Here’s what I think. And don’t dismiss it out of hand. The PM knows that he is going to have about 8 years of a majority government. Yes, 8 years. It pains me to say that, but realistically, I cannot see the Grits (the NDP will decline without Layton) challenging the Harperites in the next election. I do think that the Cons won’t make any significant gains, but they will win another majority unless something unforeseen happens.

So, in the long game, claims and promises can legitimately change. He is telling the truth when he says that this government is not opening up the debate. For now. But IF a “discussion” happens about when life begins and IF the Cons see an opening, they will slowly start to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the laws should be revisited… in light of the “new” evidence that sprang for the “discussions”.
I think we can all agree that Harper is a social conservative and he personally is against abortion, right? So then, why wouldn’t he try to change the policy to fit his own weltanschungg and those of his fellow So-Cons.

Think about it. Point out the flaw in my logic.

  • Tuesday at 07:57 ·
  • IF a discussion is opened I (in his shoes) would know my job is about to end. I don’t think he is as stupid as many claim and job security and personal beliefs don’t make good bedfellows in his arena.

    Tuesday at 08:29 ·
  • Personal freedoms and a “right to choose” will always trump one’s personal beliefs.

    Tuesday at 08:29 ·
  • ‎…because Harper is a political animal and he saves his capital for that which matters most; he uses the fringe stuff to his own means and he concentrates on those issues that matter…. this “issue” ( and it isn’t one for 80+ percent of the nation) is a time consuming, capital wasting journey into a social quagmire that he just doesn’t need. Harper may be anti abortion at home; but he’s too smart a politician to open this box….. think about it; why would you bring the social agenda into play when you don’t have to; in this case it’s a losing card to play and if you open it; it might just bite you at the polls. The “pro life” camp has tents, the pro choice crew drive honkin big RV’s and sleep at Hiltons….. no way Harper lets this get legs… private members bills are like Christmas cards, they get written; sent; read and thrown out….and waste a lot of resources and time.
    Tuesday at 09:16 ·
  • Trashy

    Oh, I am not suggesting that he is stupid! Rather the opposite. The one and only thing I admire about the guy is his skill as a tactician… brilliant! And this is the weakness in my argument. He is too smart to touch this thing with a ten foot kingfish… but then explain why he is giving so much platitude to some nobody backbenchers? And no XXX, I disagree with your outright dismissal of PMB’s and the MPs who sponsor them… these are the hearts and souls of the CPC!
             And yes, you make valid points. But look at what Greg noted… will, in this case, personal freedoms and the right       to  choose trump Harper’s personal beliefs? I’m not so sure in this case.

 

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5 Comments to “Harper and the abortion issue…”

  1. SM says:

    You don’t have to ban abortion to win this year. That’s where you aren’t paying attention to the Americans. You just need to take a slice off the salami. Make some rules so that women have to start jumping though a hoop here and there. There will be another opportunity to take off another slice. This is a long term goal, and I suspect they are planning each little slice. It’s a ten year plan.

    • I could actually sort of maybe kinda support a ban on abortion if it came with taxes on churches that went to pay for support programs for single moms and abandoned kids as well as a comprehensive sex education program starting from primary school and free birth control.

      I’m willing to wager the god-whallopers who want to ban abortion aren’t willing to step up and fix the hypocrisy of their position though.

    • trashee says:

      And that is pretty much what I am saying. You’re not going to see anything dramatic. Harper has time on his side…

  2. As further evidence I offer this: It was a sacrificeable back-bench yob who brought this up. If it was a serious initiative, the front-line cabal would have been bringing it up.

    If it goes poorly, Harper can say “yeah, we’ve got all kinds, and we tolerate them, aren’t we awesome… tolerance, that’s our mantra”

    If it goes well, Harper can say “yeah, we’re in touch with that silent majority of Canadians who really aren’t happy with the way the small-l liberals have set things up. Aren’t we awesome? Even our back benchers rock.”

    It’s a no-lose.

  3. I agree with your analysis, but I’ll add a caveat.

    If any government re-banned abortion, or restricted it in a serious way, they’d be flushed out the pipes hard in the next election. Harper et al. might be fundagelical asshats, but I’m not totally convinced they’re that stupid. Nobody east of Saskatchewan or west of Jasper can get elected if they’re publicly anti-abortion. Harper knows that.

    I think this is a distraction and nothing more. The Libs and the NDP are weak, and by stirring this pot, they’re getting the opportunity to show some leadership (“I am not reopening this debate…”) while the Lib and NDP founder and waffle.

    Harper is a *MASTER* of politics. This is a political ploy and nothing more.

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