Comments on: Down the river without a visa… http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=down-the-river-without-a-visa Scribbling some perspective on Canada, Ottawa and whatever else crosses my mind... Sat, 19 May 2012 14:25:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: XUP http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/comment-page-1/#comment-2477 XUP Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:55:50 +0000 http://trashysworld.ca/?p=1084#comment-2477 Oh ya, I realize it's the Americans who started the passport thing, just like it's the Czechs and Mexicans who started the refugee thing. But, Canada gets screwed in both cases. Plus, there are so many people here illegally already, I wonder why they picked on these 2 groups in particular. Then again, Canada is pretty easy to get into legally, so I don't know why people feel the need to cut corners. Some provinces have provincial sponsorship programs which make it even easier to get landed immigrant status -- but you have to live in provinces that don't include Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver. Oh ya, I realize it’s the Americans who started the passport thing, just like it’s the Czechs and Mexicans who started the refugee thing. But, Canada gets screwed in both cases. Plus, there are so many people here illegally already, I wonder why they picked on these 2 groups in particular. Then again, Canada is pretty easy to get into legally, so I don’t know why people feel the need to cut corners. Some provinces have provincial sponsorship programs which make it even easier to get landed immigrant status — but you have to live in provinces that don’t include Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver.

]]> By: Evolving Squid http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/comment-page-1/#comment-2475 Evolving Squid Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:52:19 +0000 http://trashysworld.ca/?p=1084#comment-2475 Shanaco: Alberta and BC did essentially that back in the 90's. When the Ontario provincial gov started work-for-welfare, tens of thousands of Ontario dole-recipients migrated to Alberta and BC to take advantage of their generous and no-work-required welfare systems. Both provinces introduced legislation to require a period of residency (6 and 3 months respectively IIRC) before someone could claim welfare because the influx of deadbeats was hurting their social systems. XUP: remember, the Americans started requiring passports... that was their idea. It's not that they need passports to get into Canada so much as they need them to get back into the USA. The fact is, both the Czech and Mexican governments admit there is a problem regarding the false refugee claimants. Neither is particularly happy about the chosen solution, but they both admit there is a problem. The immigration minister seems to be aware that this is a sucky solution, but can't seem to find a better one that gets the job done. I'm certain that if you have a better solution to the false-refugee claim issue, members of parliament would be delighted to hear it, and mailing an MP doesn't even cost postage... Shanaco: Alberta and BC did essentially that back in the 90′s. When the Ontario provincial gov started work-for-welfare, tens of thousands of Ontario dole-recipients migrated to Alberta and BC to take advantage of their generous and no-work-required welfare systems. Both provinces introduced legislation to require a period of residency (6 and 3 months respectively IIRC) before someone could claim welfare because the influx of deadbeats was hurting their social systems.

XUP: remember, the Americans started requiring passports… that was their idea. It’s not that they need passports to get into Canada so much as they need them to get back into the USA.

The fact is, both the Czech and Mexican governments admit there is a problem regarding the false refugee claimants. Neither is particularly happy about the chosen solution, but they both admit there is a problem.

The immigration minister seems to be aware that this is a sucky solution, but can’t seem to find a better one that gets the job done. I’m certain that if you have a better solution to the false-refugee claim issue, members of parliament would be delighted to hear it, and mailing an MP doesn’t even cost postage…

]]> By: shanaco http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/comment-page-1/#comment-2466 shanaco Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:46:11 +0000 http://trashysworld.ca/?p=1084#comment-2466 Better yet. Let's set up a bureaucracy that reviews inter-provincial travel! I'm sure there are Albertans just dying to claim refugee status in Ontario! Better yet. Let’s set up a bureaucracy that reviews inter-provincial travel!
I’m sure there are Albertans just dying to claim refugee status in Ontario!

]]> By: XUP http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/comment-page-1/#comment-2461 XUP Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:22:34 +0000 http://trashysworld.ca/?p=1084#comment-2461 We've already lost a huge percentage of Americans because so many of them don't have passports. Now we're losing the Mexicans and the Czechs. Why not include the rest of Europe -- Germany especially.. they just complain (in droves) while they're here anyway. Aside from the tourism implications, the whole idea is akin to the WMD overkill response by Bush We’ve already lost a huge percentage of Americans because so many of them don’t have passports. Now we’re losing the Mexicans and the Czechs. Why not include the rest of Europe — Germany especially.. they just complain (in droves) while they’re here anyway. Aside from the tourism implications, the whole idea is akin to the WMD overkill response by Bush

]]> By: Evolving Squid http://trashysworld.ca/2009/07/14/down-the-river-without-a-visa/comment-page-1/#comment-2444 Evolving Squid Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:42:11 +0000 http://trashysworld.ca/?p=1084#comment-2444 Rather than use visas, CIC could sit down, say quarterly, and decide where in the world there are people who might validly be considered refugees, and simply refuse the claims of people who enter in that quarter but aren't from those countries. So, if CIC thinks there are no refugees in Mexico and a Mexican tries to claim refugee status, they get deported immediately - no hearing, no bullshit... straight to the exit door. If CIC thinks the Czech republic is a civilized country, the same can be done to the Roma that show up. I don't know much about the Roma situation, but what I've read seems to indicate it's sucky, but hardly refugee material. Yes, there are particular hard-luck stories among them, but they are nothing compared to, say, a Rwandan refugee whose family was macheted into bits, whose house was burned, all while she was being raped by a platoon for 14 days. Canada's proper response would be to lean on the Czech and EU governments for proper treatment. Better still, we could deal with our own treatment of natives before telling the Czechs how to deal with their Roma. I'd also like to see STRICT enforcement of a neutral third country rule... if you are leaving (wherever) and you stop in some third country, then come to canada to claim refugee status, you are immediately deported back to that middle country. "Refugees" shouldn't be shopping for a place to go. That's already an agreement in place between the US and Canada: supposed refugees that come here and then try to slip into the US are sent back here, and vice versa. I have no problem accepting real refugees who make it here, but I have a big problem accepting any asshole who claims to be downtrodden and skipped through 38 countries to get here because we have free health care and welfare. Rather than use visas, CIC could sit down, say quarterly, and decide where in the world there are people who might validly be considered refugees, and simply refuse the claims of people who enter in that quarter but aren’t from those countries.

So, if CIC thinks there are no refugees in Mexico and a Mexican tries to claim refugee status, they get deported immediately – no hearing, no bullshit… straight to the exit door.

If CIC thinks the Czech republic is a civilized country, the same can be done to the Roma that show up. I don’t know much about the Roma situation, but what I’ve read seems to indicate it’s sucky, but hardly refugee material. Yes, there are particular hard-luck stories among them, but they are nothing compared to, say, a Rwandan refugee whose family was macheted into bits, whose house was burned, all while she was being raped by a platoon for 14 days. Canada’s proper response would be to lean on the Czech and EU governments for proper treatment. Better still, we could deal with our own treatment of natives before telling the Czechs how to deal with their Roma.

I’d also like to see STRICT enforcement of a neutral third country rule… if you are leaving (wherever) and you stop in some third country, then come to canada to claim refugee status, you are immediately deported back to that middle country. “Refugees” shouldn’t be shopping for a place to go. That’s already an agreement in place between the US and Canada: supposed refugees that come here and then try to slip into the US are sent back here, and vice versa.

I have no problem accepting real refugees who make it here, but I have a big problem accepting any asshole who claims to be downtrodden and skipped through 38 countries to get here because we have free health care and welfare.

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